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Unsourced article on a district in the city of Turku. Was redirected to the Turku article because it was unsourced. Was reverted and the city website (not independent and WP:PRIMARY) was added to the page. I still think this topic is better covered in context in the Turku article per WP:NOPAGE; particularly since there appears to be no WP:SIGCOV on this district currently in the article and the statistics are not verified to sources. Districts and neighborhoods inside cities aren’t inherently notable, and can easily be covered in the article on the city. I think we would need better and substantially more content and sourcing to justify a WP:SPINOUT. Thoughts?4meter4 (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. 4meter4 (talk) 16:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 18:33, 29 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Turku, of which it is a tiny part. It has been tagged as unsourced for almost 16 years. Bearian (talk) 04:15, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Comment. The ward Uittamo-Skanssi would be a more focused target if we decide to redirect. However, sources do exist to write an article about the history of Harittu. This one is focused purely on Harittu: [1]. Apart from the eponymous Harittu, there is another old frälse farm in the area, Kakkarainen, discussed in [2]. Here’s one article about an archeological find from Harittu: [3]. According to [4], offline sources discussing Harittu would be [5], [6] and [7], but I’ve no access so I am unsure what they contain. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 11:17, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I notice that the ward article is also unreferenced. Indeed there is a whole series of unsourced ward, district/neighborhood articles for Turku which all have no sources. Could we have articles? Yes. Should we have this many articles? Not necessarily. WP:NOPAGE is explicit that certain topics are better bundled together. That’s a particularly compelling policy given the zero amount of verification efforts that went into these pages. WP:BURDEN is a thing here too. We shouldn’t be hosting this many unsourced SPINOUTS.4meter4 (talk) 11:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that there are too many articles. The articles Wards of Turku, Districts of Turku, and the articles on the individual wards are largely redundant and currently unsourced. These could be consolidated into a single article, Wards and districts of Turku, which would contain the material now in Districts of Turku. If that were done, the natural target for the redirection would be Wards and districts of Turku. However, in the meantime Uittamo-Skanssi seems like the best redirect target. Once it is merged into a higher-level article, the redirect gets updated without further discussion.

That said, while the wards are purely administrative units and do not offer much content, the development of some of the individual districts is sometimes connected to local history, which provides opportunities for meaningful expansion. I would not recommend redirecting the district articles to a general list if sources are available, though this is not the case for every district. That said, I’ve changed my “comment” to “keep”. Would @~2025-37311-08 be interested in expanding the article? Jähmefyysikko (talk) 12:19, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is a great idea. I support that. And if editors were willing to reference that target article it would be a superb alternative to what we have now. Plus editors wouldn’t have to be jumping from page to page to page to get an understanding of the city and its various sections. Sometimes bundling makes it a better experience for the reader.4meter4 (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge discussion at: Talk:Districts of Turku#Merge discussion. Jähmefyysikko (talk) 07:31, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect, concur with Bearian on the appropriate course of action here. As for Jähmefyysikko points if at some point enough historical information about Harittu has collected at Turku or related pages then of course the page can be split out. Horse Eye’s Back (talk) 14:44, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, there is specific sourced historical information in the article now. In addition to the book “Kylistä kasvoi Turku”, the Russian and French Wikipedias cite a book “Turku: Savukeidas Kustannus”, while the Finnish Wikipedia cites another 2012 document describing the area. I think this is enough for a WP:GNG pass. Katzrockso (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]