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Hungarian sports shooter, competed at two Olympics, was not a medallist. Therefore fails WP:NSPORT. This is confirmed by the second link in the references, the first is broken. The remaining three are paywalled and not verifiable in any case. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:19, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Sportspeople, and Hungary. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 08:19, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak delete. I would be glad to I would try to see if someone who speak Hungarian and have access to offline archives can find. The notability of pre-internet era is quite hard to establish. Mag2k (talk) 10:16, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Olympics-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:01, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep – Per the sources that I’ve already added into the article, the athlete clearly meets WP:GNG. The first article contains more than 400 words of coverage on him; the second article contains around 118 words of coverage on him; the third article contains 76 words of coverage. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:23, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Hungary at the 1956 Summer Olympics#Shooting, where the subject is mentioned. Fails GNG due to limited SIGCOV. The coverage in two of the three sources listed by Aviationwikiflight are minimal based on having only ~100 words of coverage (I can not access them due to a paywall, so further analysis beyond word count would be appreciated). Mr. Krebs also competed in the 1960 Olympics, so a hatnote can be added to point to his participation in those games. A redirect to Hungary at the 1960 Summer Olympics#Shooting with a hatnote pointing to 1956 is fine too, but my preference is to redirect to 1956 since he competed in multiple events. Having multiple suitable redirect targets is not a valid reason to choose neither and delete anyway. Frank Anchor 13:03, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  The first source contains 400 words of coverage as the article is entirely about him. Linking all the text would probably fall afoul of WP:COPYVIO.

  Second source:

  A fegyverés nyomszakértői csoport vezetőjének nevét országhatárainkon túl is ismerika sportlövő berkekben.Krebs Sándor alezredesötvenszer nyert magyarbajnokságot 1950 és 1957 között a kisésnagyöbű sportpuskaversenyeken. Ott volt amelbournei és a rómaiolimpián, több Európa-és világbajnokságon. 1953. január 7-én kerültjelenlegi beosztásába,munkatársa Hegyi István hadnagy. A lőfegyverek és lőszerek, valamint a lövések soránkeletkezett nyomokszakértői vizsgálata afeladatuk, ami — hanem is mindig — sokszor együtt jár a helyszíni szemléken, nyomozási kísérleteken és abírósági tárgyalásokonvaló részvételükkel.

  Third source:

  Az Újpesti Dózsa olimpikon sportlövője. Az UTE sportlövő szakosztályának vezetőségi tagja két olimpián képviselte a magyar színeket. Az 1956-os ötkarikás játékokon a kisöbű puska fekvő számban a hatodik, további két számban a 9. és 10. helyen végzett. Rómában nagyöbű puskával az összetett számban a 8. helyen zárta a versenyt. Sokszoros magyar bajnok. Az Óbudai temető szóróparcellájában vettek végső búcsút tőle.

  Aviationwikiflight (talk) 13:30, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for sharing. The two references posted appear to be more WP:ROUTINE coverage, which would be expected for articles of that size. Even if the remaining, larger, source is GNG-appropriate, one such reference is not enough to get past the GNG threshold, so my !vote remains at redirect. Frank Anchor 13:57, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The references provided by Aviationwikiflight meet GNG. I think it is a stretch to suggest the obituary (third source) is just routine coverage (especially in combination with the verfiable coverage of him being a 2x Olympian). —Enos733 (talk) 15:44, 29 October 2025 (UTC)[reply]